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(Message started by: Shannon on Apr 15^th, 2008, 10:02am)

Title: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by Shannon on Apr 15^th, 2008, 10:02am

This is from the IM ....

04.15.08: Greatest Hits - Volume 2
Greatest Hits - Volume 2 will be released 06.17.08. A two disc set,

the first disc will contain the following tracks:
Hate This Place,
Stop the World,
Long Way Down,
All Eyes On Me (live),
Lazy Eye,
Iris (demo),
I'm Awake Now,
Torn Apart,
No Way Out,
String of Lies,
We'll Be Here (When You're Gone) (remix),
Without You Here,
Only One,
Truth Is A Whisper,
What A Scene,
Million Miles Away,
I Wanna Destroy You,
Wait for the Blackout,
Slave Girl,
Don't Change,
I Don't Wanna Know,
Give A Little Bit,
American Girl (live).

The second disc will contain the following videos:
There You Are,
We Are The Normal,
Only One,
Flat Top,
Name,
Naked,
Long Way Down,
Lazy Eye,
Iris,
Slide,
Black Balloon,
Dizzy,
Broadway,
Here Is Gone,
Sympathy,
Stay With You,
Let Love In,
Give A Little Bit,
Long Way Down (Live at Red Rocks),
Slide (Live at Red Rocks),
Feel the Silence (Live at Red Rocks),
Before It's Too Late (Live at Red Rocks),
Slave Girl (Live at Red Rocks),
Better Days (Live at Red Rocks)

What do you think? It seems pretty similar to what was up on Amazon.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by Nicole on Apr 15^th, 2008, 11:31am

That sucks...

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by lionhill on Apr 15^th, 2008, 11:43am

I'm kinda meh about the already officially released songs. I understand why they might want to re-release them, considering that the earlier CDs are harder to get hold of and that most people who listen to the "new" Goos maybe haven't heard anything from their previous records.

On the other hand, I'm excited to actually have an official relase of the other songs. I'm wondering what Wait For the Blackout is gonna sound like, like if they've re-recorded it.

And I'm also excited about having the music videos in good quality, as well as the clips from Red Rocks. I'm sort of disappointed about how few of the live clips are included though.

[edit] BTW, I just thought about this yesterday; I myself would have wanted really rare tracks, like, say, In Your Blood, but I honestly don't think the Goos know that we have those kind of songs.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by nmf016 on Apr 15^th, 2008, 1:08pm

Quote:

Robby: You know, we don't know yet, really. We've been spending a lot of time looking at a list of archival footage that's available to use from Warner Brothers...stuff from televison, VH1, older stuff that we had done years ago, and live recordings from PBS, those kind of places. So we really have quite a collection of unreleased live versions. We're gonna look through that list, and I think we talked about having a DVD and a couple of CDs package with, possibly, interactive software. That kind of stuff. We're pretty excited about it.

Checks list.
Archival footage? No
Anything from VH1? No
PBS? Nope
'Collection' of unreleased live versions? 1-2 songs is not a collection. And you had lots of potential here to do something fun and off the wall like including your old cover song mash ups or "Name" from Cleveland 07 or the AC/DC cover. Maybe we'll all be surprised and American Girl will be the version with Vanessa Carlton or this version of All Eyes On Me will have something amazingly unique. Probably not though.
DVD? Check.
Couple cds? 1 does not equal 2
Interactive software? I guess a dvd menu is kinda interactive... Eh, not gonna pick at that too much, because I had no expectations.

Quote:

An expanded deluxe package will rarities galore will surface in the new year.

galore:
adj.
In great numbers; in abundance: �with balloons and hot dogs . . . and fireworks galore�

rarity:
n.
pl. rar�i�ties
1. Something rare.
2. The quality or state of being rare; infrequency of occurrence.
3. Not album tracks [the nmf addition]
Finding an unreleased song on the Goo Goo Dolls' Greatest Hits, Vol 2 was a rarity.

Quote:

Also expected in early 2008 will be "greatest hits Vol. 2," which will include new recordings, remixes, a plethora of rarities to include B-sides, some unexpected cover versions of some of the band's favorite songs and more. A DVD/MVI disc of live footage and extras will also be included in the deluxe package with a complete concert from their show at the Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Colorado in June of 2007.

New recordings? No
Remixes? Remix. Singular. And we all know the Feel the Silence remix treatment.
Unexpected covers? Covers, yes. Unexpected, no, seeing as they are all previously released songs on proper albums, except for I Wanna Destroy You and possibly American Girl.
Complete Red Rocks show? No. Unless they played a second show that day that consisted of only 6 songs.

Quote:

J: As for the rarities disc, we�re digging through piles of recordings, trying to find cool stuff and fun stuff. That album will be more fan-oriented. We don�t know yet what all the tracks will be. We�ve got some B-sides and some acoustic things we�ve been listening to. There�s a lot of video material that we hope to stitch together as well.

Fan-oriented (from the nmf dictionary):
For the fans who already own all or nearly all albums and actually listen to the entire albums; not for the casual listener who only buys albums for singles

B-sides? A couple
Acoustic things? No
Video material that would require stitching together? No. Exact opposite, actually. You hacked out chunks of the live concert and made the music video set incomplete.

Quote:

It will be followed up in February with a Vol. 2 full of with B-sides, rarities, remixes, and some new tracks.

February? No.
B-sides? A few (but too few)
Rarities? We'll give you the Iris demo for now. This may be taken away once I hear it though.
Remixes? Singular. And this too may be taken away
New tracks? LOL

Quote:

Q: This album is called "greatest hits Volume One." Are you expecting to write enough hits to fill a second volume anytime soon?
JR: That was the record company. I don't know why they wanted to call it "Volume One." I think the idea was to put out a "Volume Two" with oddities and rare stuff, but the name wasn't my idea.

Oddities? No
Rare stuff? Jury is still out on the Iris demo

Quote:

A second collection of rarities, B-sides, remixes, a complete live concert DVD and lots more will be assembled into a deluxe package and planned for release early in 2008.

Rarities? See above
B-sides? See above
Remixes? See above
Complete concert? no
Lots more? Lots more of album tracks being recycled...
Early 2008? Just barely in the most liberal sense.

So... huge disappointment. When this disc was brought up, I thought about it sensibly. I know I'm a big fan, I know I have heard and seen things that the average fan doesn't even know exists. I was prepared to get a lot of B-sides and 'rare' tracks that I've had and listened to for years and I would be understanding of that. But I was also expecting to get a completely off the wall random track or two. Again, we've all heard that they're a low out put band and they don't have much that they don't put out on albums, but we know there are demos with alternate lyrics, we know there's a few unreleased songs, we know there are some wacky live songs. Have a sense of humor and throw something new (old) out there for your fans. It doesn't even have to be good. We know you think Tuesday blows, you can even title the song "Tuesday (This Sucks)". It's supposed to be a B-side album, not a collection of songs that will least offend a critic. This was the one opportunity stop taking everything so seriously, to put something out there without giving a shit what the commercial public thought, and just let the real fans celebrate the hits and misses of the past. And the video stuff is just kinda... blah. If you're going to give us the music videos, give us the complete set. If you're going to give us live performances, give us the complete show or give us singular remarkable performances or give us something obscure. Do it right.

I know people will read this and reply (or think) that I'm so ungrateful and I'm not a real fan and that I only say negative things, and fine, think whatever you want. But I didn't just have impossible expectations for this album, the quotes above, including some straight from John and Robby, are what gave me some expectations. They really hyped up this album, and apparently got lazy and gave us nothing worth getting excited over. I have never seen a rarity disc comprised of mostly album tracks and if they think any real fan needs to buy a rarity disc to be aware of album tracks, they have no idea what being a legitimate fan of their band is.

I truly believe this band has a remarkable career and history, even if I don't particularly like a certain portion of it. GHV1 and GHV2 could have been an opportunity to showcase both the commercial success and the interesting and unknown quirks of the band if it had been done with even a little bit of care, but both discs are sloppily put together and this second disc is an insult to their career and their fans.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by Pondering My Fate on Apr 15^th, 2008, 2:30pm

$$$.

That is all.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by Shannon on Apr 15^th, 2008, 2:36pm

If there hadn't been hype or prior talk of this album none of us would have had any expectations and then this probably would have been a great tracklist. But it was so hyped as the album for the fans with rarities and b-sides and what not. It just doesn't live up to the hype making it disappointing.

And Nicole, we all know you're a "real" fan. You may not always like their decisions but you're still a "real" fan. You've probably been around here longer than most of us. So you're allowed to express your disappointment and still remain a fan.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by nmf016 on Apr 15^th, 2008, 2:44pm

on 04/15/08 at 14:30:11, Pondering My Fate wrote:

$$$.

That is all.

$$$ is money. The urban dictionary has the following definition for money.

Quote:

money:

Of unusually high quality; very good; excellent: this wine is money;

Majestic; imposing: michael jordon is money.

Rich; luxurious: your apartment is money.

I banged Monique last night.
Damn, she is a hottie! How was it?
It was soooo money.

Therefore, I'm going to need you to elaborate more. At least 1200 words.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by nmf016 on Apr 15^th, 2008, 2:51pm

on 04/15/08 at 14:36:53, Shannon wrote:

And Nicole, we all know you're a "real" fan. You may not always like their decisions but you're still a "real" fan. You've probably been around here longer than most of us. So you're allowed to express your disappointment and still remain a fan.

Oh, that part wasn't for you or pretty much anyone else who is an active participant on this board. :D Just for the occasional run-ins I'll eventually have to clarify with.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by lionhill on Apr 15^th, 2008, 4:07pm

How did I go from content to disappointed about this?

Oh, I know. Nicole's post of DOOM. The worst part is that it's all pretty much true. :/

I'm trying to focus on the positive part of this; we get something, at least. I'm still in agreement with my previous post about having the rarer songs on an actual CD.
And I like the cover.

*thinks happy thoughts*

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by nmf016 on Apr 15^th, 2008, 6:41pm

on 04/15/08 at 16:07:28, lionhill wrote:

I don't know if I'm supposed to be pleased or sad by my influence. Didn't mean to bring you down, just commiserating with anyone else who is already down...

I personally would rather have nothing that something that's crap. I guess, if I'm offered nothing, I have nothing to be bothered by. Being offered something crappy when it had potential to be superior just seems like a slap in the face.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by Shannon on Apr 15^th, 2008, 6:46pm

Here's a photo of the album cover. This is from GGD.com http://www.googoodolls.com/downloads/ggd_greatesthits2.jpg

http://www.googoodolls.com/downloads/ggd_greatesthits2.jpg

Here's some food for thought too. I was thinking about this most of the afternoon. And, I'm wondering if the guys did have big plans for this album but WB really tied their hands? It's possible that the record label had more say on the tracklist than we realize. I don't know.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by Pondering My Fate on Apr 15^th, 2008, 7:27pm

That cover art is dumb if only because a) it doesn't remotely tie in with the GHV1 artwork, which is stupid because they're a set and they should ideally complement each other, b) because the whole title isn't even on there (WTF is "Goo Goo Dolls Vol. 2"?) and c) because the concept has nothing to do with... anything. (Well, okay, I can see them maybe going for, like, crowdsurfing or something, but you're deluded if you think GGD is appropriate crowdsurfing music.)
But what do I know, I'm just a design student.

Nicole, you know what I meant with the money signs. You're a smart girl. ;)

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by DWG on Apr 15^th, 2008, 7:45pm

lol...crowdsurfing. *snicker, snicker*

To me, it looks like some Communist font or something.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by carlyn on Apr 15^th, 2008, 8:29pm

on 04/15/08 at 18:50:58, Shade wrote:

nmf you (or we if you want help) should write a well thought out, composed, sincere letter to the band addressing the complaints with the disc in an organized and justified way, explaining how much of a fan you are and what they should have done, and how we're all disappointed. I'll back it up anyway you need me to...maybe some of us would sign it? But it should probably wait until it actually comes out.

I just think they need to know from a true and long-time fan how they messed up with this and how it could have been so much better. Maybe it will wake them up and turn things around.

I would definitely sign that. I think we need to ope their eyes and I don't think we need to wait for the CD to come out to do it.

And I definitely agree with what was said before about how I'd much rather have nothing than something really crappy like this.

About the album cover... I like the retro style but there's nothing really retro about the cd, the colors are kinda gross, and I thought it should match the GHV1 cover too.

And if Warner Brothers had something to do with them switching out a potentially cool tracklist for something lame, they should have figured that out before they hyped it up and made all sorts of empty promises about it. And also I don't think Warner Brothers would have had a problem with new songs, which is one of many things they said would be on there but isn't. I am insulted that they would lie to us or back out on us, I think it is a really crappy thing to do to someone. I hate it when people do that to me and I would personally never do that to anyone. With this, I get the feeling that the Goos don't respect us at all.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by nmf016 on Apr 15^th, 2008, 10:58pm

on 04/15/08 at 19:27:33, Pondering My Fate wrote:

Nicole, you know what I meant with the money signs. You're a smart girl. ;)

It's true, I knew what you were talking about. But I was jealous you were so succinct and I wanted to bring banging Monique into it.

The album cover is fugly as all get-out with the big boldness and the colors and the manhands and the apparent false idolatry and the lack of continuity with the first volume and all. But I'm far more interested in bitching about other things, so whatever...

on 04/15/08 at 18:50:58, Shade wrote:

If this had been the first thing to go 'wrong', I'd be slightly inclined to think I (or we) could make a difference. But in my opinion now, it's just like 'why bother'? They've made it pretty clear recently that it's all about the almighty dollar and not about being in tune with what their sincere fanbase wants. I think they're completely out of touch with their fans. They think, at least in the US, that their fans come and go in six months, but it's no problem because they'll have a new crop of fans for another six months. They don't seem to understand anymore that maybe it's better to have a constant fanbase that will remember and value them years from now, as long as they're making money right now. The point being, if we were to manage to contact them and give them our honest assessment of what's gone terribly wrong, chances are they'd think "Whatever, we lose a few bodies. Here's a couple new ones to replace them and they're perfectly happy because they don't know how rational and good everything used to be".

Plus, my well thought out letter would read:
Dear Goos,
WTF? Get your heads out of your asses and stop destroying yourselves. GALB?! Are you f-ing me?!
Hugs and kisses,
Nicole

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by Pondering My Fate on Apr 15^th, 2008, 11:27pm

I would also like to take this moment to say that I have still yet to purchase GALB in any way, shape or form...

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by DWG on Apr 15^th, 2008, 11:36pm

Probably because we have that song on "The Very Best of Supertramp", so why mess with that?

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by nmf016 on Apr 15^th, 2008, 11:43pm

on 04/15/08 at 23:27:50, Pondering My Fate wrote:

I would also like to take this moment to say that I have still yet to purchase GALB in any way, shape or form...

You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. I'm not sure which right now. Regardless, I'm jealous.

(You don't have LIB?)

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by DWG on Apr 15^th, 2008, 11:46pm

on 04/15/08 at 23:43:28, nmf016 wrote:

You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. I'm not sure which right now. Regardless, I'm jealous.

(You don't have LIB?)

Oh, yeah. We do have that.
But no LLI.
I'm starting to get the abbreviations mixed up. Gah.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by DWG on Apr 16^th, 2008, 12:15am

I blame it on Obi Wan and his Jedi mind tricks.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Obiwanmindtrick.JPG/180px-Obiwanmindtrick.JPG
"These aren't the songs you're looking for..."

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by lionhill on Apr 16^th, 2008, 1:00am

on 04/15/08 at 18:46:30, Shannon wrote:

Okay, now I don't like the cover anymore. It looked a lot better when I saw it as a smaller version.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by laurengoo on Apr 16^th, 2008, 8:25am

Don't you think they should have stuck with a similar theme to Vol 1?

It would've flowed nicely, my opinion though.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by lionhill on Apr 16^th, 2008, 9:12am

on 04/16/08 at 08:25:34, laurengoo wrote:

Don't you think they should have stuck with a similar theme to Vol 1?

It would've flowed nicely, my opinion though.

It doesn't really matter to me. It's weird that they didn't stick to one theme, though. I would think that's the usual thing to do.

Maybe they did the different themes to show that "this is our hits CD with a picture of us because pop records have a picture of the artists", and the GGD Volume 2 thing as a sort of "this is our not-so mainstream CD" because the artwork is a bit.. obscure, I guess I can say.
Just speculation.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by Shannon on Apr 16^th, 2008, 10:04am

on 04/15/08 at 23:36:14, DWG wrote:

Probably because we have that song on "The Very Best of Supertramp", so why mess with that?

LOL .... so very true. And I'll be one to admit I do have that Supertramp CD. ;D

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by lionhill on Apr 16^th, 2008, 11:31am

on 04/16/08 at 10:01:22, Shade wrote:

What'll be funny is when this isn't on the shelf anymore after a week.

P.S. They're having an identity crisis.

lol xD Guess they finally hit that age. I'm not sure whether I should be happy that this is the way they're having it, or if I would rather that John went back to the guyliner.

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by laurengoo on Apr 16^th, 2008, 8:25pm

on 04/16/08 at 09:12:10, lionhill wrote:

I see your point there, and this is technically a different album so it's a different theme....

Good observations!

Title: Re: Official GHV2 tracklist!
Post by d.e.n.i.s.e. on Apr 19^th, 2008, 1:54pm

At first I wasn't that disappointed in the setlist, and thought I was going to buy it. (I didn't buy Vol 1). But the more I think about it the less likely I am to buy it. I'm getting tired of buying the same songs over and over again. I don't mean the old ones, I can understand putting them on here. But I don't think I want to pay one more penny for anything off of LLI. The LLI songs aren't rare and WYH and WBHWYG weren't hits, so how the heck do they belong on this?

I enjoyed seeing the Goos play LLI live, but really don't like the record. I never listen to it.

Whoever wrote GALB must be in their glory. They're cashing in on it - again (and again and again).

I think the GOOs really dropped the ball on this collection. Who do they think is going to buy Vol 2? They people who only like the hits, already got Vol 1. and the hard core fans aren't getting anything they don't already have. The only songs I think might get a fan excited are the ones that aren't on Goo albums, i.e., Wait for the Blackout. Even though they were already released, they weren't on Goo CDs and not everyone is into buying movie soundtracks.

OK, this is getting way too long.

My summary of the above "2 thumbs down".