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Title: Another nail in the coffin/VIP ans. on pg 4 Post by nmf016 on Apr 11th, 2007, 2:18pm Just went and played on the IM presale for Saratoga Springs to see what that deal is about VIP tickets for $150 (apiece, not a set). VIP = front 2 rows of the pit Regular = scattered throughout the orchestra level, ranging from row A - V, the closest row being approximately row 7. Niiiiiice. �When I say "SELL" you say "OUT". I'm so over this... Can't wait to hear how it's not the band's fault. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by DWG on Apr 11th, 2007, 3:26pm *hands nmf the official hammer* |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by sweetcharadex on Apr 11th, 2007, 4:15pm "OUT" I ended up getting 2 tickets for row E. I hit 1 ticket instead of 2 and row A showed up at first. Oh well. Don't really care anymore. And I will be selling these tix unless I find a way to get there from Buffalo. I love when people bail out on you 10 minutes before presales. Today is awesome so far ... :P |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by nmf016 on Apr 11th, 2007, 4:44pm on 04/11/07 at 15:26:23, DWG wrote:
You wouldn't believe it! They're self hammering nails! I don't have to do shit! Just sit back and watch the band piss off the most loyal of their fanbase... And Rebecca, I'd take you myself, but it's probably not healthy to be confined to a car with me for 4 hours while I rant about all this stupidity. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by nmf016 on Apr 11th, 2007, 5:09pm And here's my favorite picture ever in the history of anything Goo related. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/crookedrhyme/WOG/IM%20ripoff/greek150ga.jpg Yeah, that's right. VIP GA. For $160. For a GA ticket and a poster. |
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Title: OUT OUT OUT Post by Pondering My Fate on Apr 11th, 2007, 5:46pm marketing skills courtesy of http://indigo.ie/~rrolfe/jb050.gif edit: ooh, but wait, it comes with a signed commemorative item. ::) |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by nmf016 on Apr 11th, 2007, 5:59pm Yeah. A poster. Which costs.... ummmmmmmmm... $0.12 cents to make. Maybe $1 if you expense a Sharpie for each one. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by ChickenCookie on Apr 11th, 2007, 6:14pm on 04/11/07 at 17:09:43, nmf016 wrote:
What the ... how ... why ... what the fuck??!! >:( Guess I'll be skipping the LLI tour altogether. ::) |
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Title: Re: OUT OUT OUT Post by nmf016 on Apr 11th, 2007, 6:21pm on 04/11/07 at 17:46:06, Pondering My Fate wrote:
Can I just say how I appreciate your choice of photo used? The "Ha ha, you suckers, I am ripping you off SO HARD" point and laugh. Excellent. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by nmf016 on Apr 11th, 2007, 7:12pm It's like this. The presale used to be a crap shoot where you might get first row or sixteenth row, but you were just paying the regular ticke price. If you got front row, hey, you got lucky! Now... the first couple rows are $150 per ticket. So it's no longer enough to be a member of the fan club and get lucky with your seats, you need to pay $150. The fallout on the IM is pretty fun though. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by another ego on Apr 11th, 2007, 9:05pm Wow what a f*cking rip-off. I have until 4/25 to cancel my renewal. I have been on the fence for a while, this might be what I need to push me to the cancel side of the fence. There's a show in my area for July and I was hoping to get tix for that show, but my subscription ends 4/25 and the pre-sales is 5/5, figures, damn! Now I'm not sure if I'll shell out the $30 for what will probably be crappy IM seats. Maybe, I'll put the $30 toward buying a ticket from TicketBastard instead. So far, I've gotten nothing from IM except screwed. Going to IM now to check out the bitching. My, just realized this item is bringing out my NY mouth. Please excuse me :-X |
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Title: Re: OUT OUT OUT Post by DWG on Apr 11th, 2007, 10:16pm on 04/11/07 at 17:46:06, Pondering My Fate wrote:
I love you. Cute...and snarky! :-* |
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Title: Re: OUT OUT OUT Post by Helengoo on Apr 11th, 2007, 11:04pm on 04/11/07 at 17:46:06, Pondering My Fate wrote:
I laughrd so hard when I saw this....It makes me ill to think I used to be a fan of this guy... |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by ILovePeeps on Apr 11th, 2007, 11:11pm Wow, just wow. :P |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by DWG on Apr 11th, 2007, 11:19pm on 04/11/07 at 19:12:14, nmf016 wrote:
Mutiny On the Bounty! :pirate: Hey, kids...remember the Gutterflower tour? When tickets were like $30 a piece? Yeah, the good ol' days. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by nmf016 on Apr 11th, 2007, 11:48pm I was going to make a very interesting point here, but then I got distracted by Charlie the Unicorn (Darn you, Denise!). Anyways... it might come to me. Until then, I'll just say I love watching a good mutiny. I only wish I could join in... |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by Shannon on Apr 12th, 2007, 9:53am I haven't commented on this yet because I wasn't sure how I felt about it. On the one hand it seems all the artists are going this direction. On the other hand it feels more about the almighty dollar than it does about fans. I have to say for a band like the Goos to go in this direction is disappointing. This VIP package doesn't feel all about the fans but is a business decision made (by whom?) to generate revenue at the fans expense. I'm just left with a bad taste in my mouth and a sense of bitter disappointment. :( I do get emails from time to time asking why I allow people to be so negative and bitter about the band and LLI. I always explain that all opinions ... good or bad ... are accepted here. So it's nice to read the mutiny on the happy IM board. Everyone, everyone has a right to express their opinion. You'd think with a mutiny like this that the band would take it seriously. We'll see I guess. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by the black o on Apr 12th, 2007, 10:10am I don't know really what to say either. �On the one hand, I'm indifferent since the band rarely visits any Canadian city on a regular basis other than Toronto, which I don't particularly want to travel to, to take in a single show. �Thus, Inner Machine membership is useless to me, so I never signed up. On the other hand, I feel sorry for the fans who do have the opportunity to see the band, and having to put up with these antics. $150 seems awfully extreme for this band, and it saddens me. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by Pondering My Fate on Apr 12th, 2007, 10:27am on 04/12/07 at 09:53:45, Shannon wrote:
Depending what circles you're looking in, yeah, a lot of artists are doing that. But the fact that everyone else is doing something doesn't make it right. :-/ I don't know... the GGD's have never really been the kind of band that went out of their way to stand for one moral or another, but we used to at least be able to count on reasonably-priced tickets. I don't mean to be rash and judge everything based on this one show, because yeah, most of the rest of them have still been reasonable; but some people will go for this. And as long as someone's buying it, I doubt they'd think twice before doing it again in the future. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by DWG on Apr 12th, 2007, 10:33am on 04/12/07 at 09:53:45, Shannon wrote:
I suppose I'd be considered one of those "negative" people. But if I didn't still like the majority of the music the band has produced in their career, I wouldn't still be here and on a couple of other boards. It's like someone saying you shouldn't live in America if you have anything negative to say about how things are going; and we know people do say that. When things seem unfair or start to veer from what we thought was true-to-form for the band and the way they've done things for so long (ie: keeping ticket prices low for example), people are going to voice their opinions, and they aren't going to all be in agreement with everything that's going down. It doesn't mean they are bad fans, they just have an opinion that differs from that of others. Would the band want us to love everything no matter what? Sure that would make things easier, but would it make things necessarily better? |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by nmf016 on Apr 12th, 2007, 11:00am I was thinking about that the other day, Shannon. Any other board, if you say something negative, someone will jump on you. Here, you can say it and find others agree with you. One thing I found out in the few months after LLI came out was that people were afraid to say they didn't like it. While I was voicing my opinion, many many people private messaged me to tell me they agreed, but they wouldn't post their opinions on the board because they were afraid to get ripped apart. For that reason, I guess I became a little more vocal about the things I didn't like. It's very cool that you see that there's nothing wrong with not liking everything the Goos do and give us a place where we can say what we want. Being a fan of the band doesn't mean you have to smile while getting screwed over. Way to get this off topic, Shannon. Geez. Back to the IM/Goo hating! |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by sweetcharadex on Apr 12th, 2007, 12:57pm nmf016 .. I posted that picture of the VIP GA ticket on the IM because it was the best laugh I got all day. If you want me to take it down I will. But it's friggen hillarious. :D All you can do is laugh at this point, ya know? |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by Shannon on Apr 12th, 2007, 3:07pm This was posted by moderator2 on the IM. I normally don't like to copy and paste posts from the IM but since this is as close to an official statement/explanation as we're probably going to get ... here goes.... Hi all. Just a couple of quick comments here, and then I'll let you get back to your attack. First of all, I haven't seen anyone say, if they didn't get VIP tickets they got 'cruddy' seats. I've seen a ton of people saying that they got great seats (2nd to 6th row) without getting the VIP pass. So I don't know where that thought is coming from. People now can actually see their seats before buying them, which is a huge improvement, in my book, from before. Secondly, I find the threads saying this is just to 'grease' the pockets or palms of the band members, etc., offensive. This is not about the band. As someone pointed out, the band is paid their fee, regardless of all of this. For months I've seen people say, if we could only be guaranteed a seat up front, right by the guys, I'd pay anything. Now someone is saying OK, here is a way for you to do that, with a very LIMITED amount of seats set aside for it. Yet now I just see everyone furious about it. The Goos have some of the lowest ticket prices of any major band out there, not to mention things like the upcoming free show, in St. Louis I believe? To imply they're doing this just to 'get at' you is wrong. Lastly -- yes, I agree, this could of been handled better. But we're still waiting on more information concerning this, it's not like we know and are not telling you. Goo Staff will post as soon as we learn more. Please try to take all this into consideration. I understand your frustration -- we share it. But saying crap about the band, crew, etc., isn't the way to go about this, and certainly the wrong people to blame. mod2 |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by another ego on Apr 12th, 2007, 4:41pm I just canceled my IM subscription :-[ Couldn't take the bullshit any longer. Thanks Shannon for letting us get it off our chests. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by nmf016 on Apr 12th, 2007, 5:17pm on 04/12/07 at 12:57:42, sweetcharadex wrote:
Doesn't matter to me as long as you're not hotlinking. My new "I have so many better things to do, but oh well" project is capping all of the presales possible for VIP/nonVIP this tour, mostly because the IM staff said regular sales wouldn't be affected by VIP sales. Anyone want to see Santa Barbara presales and how IM staff is clearly lying? Denise, you make me proud. The IM owes us $30 for all of the madness we dealt with. ::) |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by Shannon on Apr 12th, 2007, 6:00pm I imagine there are going to be alot of IM subscriptions canceled after this. Only time will tell if the regular IM tickets end up being as good as the VIP IM tickets. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by nmf016 on Apr 12th, 2007, 6:14pm For every show that has gone on presale so far, the best VIP tickets are better than the best regular presales. The staff has said they are independent of each other, but they are all following the same pattern so I think the staff is lying to cover their collective ass. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by rzezniksangel on Apr 12th, 2007, 7:18pm on 04/11/07 at 23:19:35, DWG wrote:
And if you go back further...I think for the DUTG tour my third row ticket was $20, for the same ampitheater they played at several times since then, for more money each time. *sigh* I think I'm kinda happy that they're not coming my way on this leg of the tour. $150 for a "VIP" ticket is just B.S. in my book... |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by blessed_by_goo on Apr 12th, 2007, 9:23pm okay, I've been outta touch since last Wed and I come back to this what the??? I'm totally confused. How can you charge 150.00 for what's called a VIP at a GA show, unless there is a sect blocked off? Are they blocking the area? Because if they're not blocking the area then this is a bloodbath waiting to happen. ESPECIALLY after all the discussion after Sacred Heart. And that was JUST BECAUSE a second door got opened. Now we're talking about folks shelling out a larger amount of money here to be promised a good seat. So does this mean that at an assigned seating venue the underdog (the guy who pays the reg $) won't get anything better than 3rd row? Not sure how I feel about this. I mean TRUE peeps WERE in fact bitching about NEVER getting a snowflakes chance in hell at a good seat, and now they're trying to cater....BUT they need to know where to draw the line in trying to please us..... ANYONE WATCHING THE #'S OF SUBSCRIBED IM'Rs HAVE THE GONE UP OR DOWN? |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by collegeunm on Apr 13th, 2007, 5:44am someone mentioned about the HAPPY IM.....I am a frequent poster over there....trust me, there has always been a bunch of bitching going on there, either about the fanclub, or people are bitching at someone else because they are complaining about it..... I always stay out of all that bickering......I have my happy place on that damn board...... I don't care about the VIP thing....I can't afford to go to any shows even paying the regular price so whatever.... I still love the music that this band has.....its all about the music for me......I don't feel as though I am getting ripped off......some people do thats fine.....some people don't like the Let Love In album, thats ok too....I still LOVE the LET LOVE IN album and thats fine too..... one of the differences between people on this board and those on that board is that people here don't resort to insulting people for having a different opinion, whereas on that board you disagree with certain people, you will have to post your opinion knowing that insults will be headed your way..... so honestly to refer to that board as the HAPPY IM is kind of off, because I swear from day one there has been a lot of bitching and moaning going on.........not all that happy at all...... thats my 2 cents...... |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by Shannon on Apr 13th, 2007, 9:55am OK....that was me who said that and I stand corrected....sorry. I only post on a few threads there and that was my overall impression of it last year when it first started. I posted a lot over there when the IM first opened but then just found it too overwhelming to keep up with so I don't get over there too much anymore outside of the local OT thread. Thanks for noticing and pointing out that we don't hurl insults here. I take pride that people can come here and post an opinion.....any opinion and have that view/perspective respected. We have many a debate over views here but I don't think anyone feels attacked personally and that is what's most important. I agree with you that I still love the band's music and will still be a fan regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions. I'm not a LLI hater but it's not my favorite album either. |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by ChickenCookie on Apr 13th, 2007, 11:47am Reading crap like that reply from the IM staff makes me really want to take a shower. I can't believe how this band has changed, and not for the better. It makes me very, very sad. :'( |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by DWG on Apr 13th, 2007, 11:55am Take a shower? You crack me up, kiddo. ;) |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by ChickenCookie on Apr 13th, 2007, 3:05pm on 04/13/07 at 11:55:21, DWG wrote:
And you make me happy that, at age 40, someone still calls me 'kiddo'. ;) |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin Post by Shannon on Apr 13th, 2007, 5:16pm I found a thread on the IM yesterday in the About the Site section where Goo Staff answer many questions about the VIP tickets. I debated whether I should copy/paste it here. I've decided to post the answers since they answer the questions on everyone's mind and attempt to clear things up. This information would have been nice to have prior to the pre sales and probably would have aleviated alot of the problems in the first place. But alas it was not meant to be. I hope you all find this information helpful. From Goo Staff on IM..... 1. �We have amazing seats for both the VIP and regular presale. � Since the regular presale seats sell faster, when you get a few minutes into the presale it may appear that only the VIP has great tickets but that is absolutely not the case. 2. � Here's the deal regarding the new VIP packages. �The VIP package tickets are additional tickets we are able to get from the venues. �They in no way affect the regular alloted amount for the Inner Machine pre-sales. �The regular inner machine pre-sale tickets are still the same high quality level that we have been getting for every show. The rational behind the VIP packages is to offer fans the best seats possible without having to pay outrageous brokerage or ebay prices and include a very special gift from the band. Goo Staff 3. �If you want answers to specific situations, you will need to contact the ticket agency directly: �[email protected] All we can do here is give you the general overview. We would have liked to have had this information earlier, but the details were still coming together when the first pre-sales began, and it was decided it would be better to offer them for all upcoming shows - including these - rather than start later and not have had these opportunities available for IM'ers for those shows. Goo Staff 4. �Yes. �The VIP tickets we are getting are generally �the ones that venues do not release for regular ticket sales. �They are given to season ticket holders, held for VIPs, etc. �These are tickets that we have figuratively begged, borrowed and beaten out of them. �Obviously, everyone is trying to find a way to deal with ticket brokers, scalpers, etc, and this is one way that ticket agencies are working directly with venues to try to get those best of the best seats that normally end up in brokerages out to the people that actually really would want them. We spoke again with the ticket agency, and they again reiterated that all of our regular pre-sale tickets as well as the VIP tickets are all extremely good seats. �You are getting the absolute best chance to get the best seats in the house - first, and with less fees than either ticketmaster or any brokerage - through our regular pre-sales. � Goo Staff |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin/VIP ans. on pg 4 Post by Shaun on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:42am Wow for once its good to be an english fan, the tickets here cost �20 including postage! |
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Title: Re: Another nail in the coffin/VIP ans. on pg 4 Post by Shannon on Apr 18th, 2007, 11:12am The tickets here are still reasonable if you don't buy VIP. I think I paid $28 for my Muskegon show this summer. Aside from the whole VIP thing....the Goos have still managed to keep their regular priced tickets very reasonable compared to other artists. |
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